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Post by "The Freq" on May 25, 2015 23:22:19 GMT -5
Ok kids. I'm going to talk a bit about a story that's going on in the local news the past few days. Now, I'm not an expert on this subject matter but I have to say I find it very interesting. Now what the hooplah is about from what I gather is that if you own a business on Queen Street, you have to pay a levy to the Queentown Association. This is on top of your taxes. What this is for is unclear to me but the amount paid varies from business to business based on the building and property. For example, a smaller business in a smaller building might pay 5 grand where as another bigger one would pay 14 grand. In my opinion, that's not fair because it's like joining a club but there is no set fee. Every business should pay the same amount fair to everyone. In any case, the mystery for me revolves around what this money gets used for and who in fact are the ones making the decisions on where this money is spent. I know some of the money is for financing the local concerts that happen on Queen Street near EAst Street during Rotary Fest. This is where things get fuzzy for me.
The Downtown Association has been around for over 30 years, and these concerts have been around for easily 10 years so I have always wondered where the money came from to finance these events. There are other things too like Buskerfest and midnight madness. Well, apparently they are funded by the Downtown Association via this levy put on shop owners on Queen Street. I'm not sure the percentage. It might be all paid by them or partially. I'm not sure. In either case, I always wondered how all the shops on Queen benefited. Well it's clearly obvious that they don't. Most get nothing for those concerts. I also wondered why these Rotary Fest second stage concerts were always located at the Lop Lops bar area of town. Logically, if all store owners are paying into this fund, the concert series should rotate down Queen Street every year so that all businesses get exposure and feel the benefits of the money they're dumping into this DTA thing. Well, it's not as fair as you might think. I just heard about this strange setup over the past few days and a few things became a teenie bit clearer.
First, the person on the board for the Downtown Association (one of like 10 people) is the owner of Lop Lops bar. Another member is the owner of Case's Music. All the concerts have been right in front of these businesses, in fact Lop Lops benefits the most from these concerts in pedestrian traffic alone. I can't speak for sales. I just found it odd that this one little block of Queen Street seems to have it made with these events yet, at the other end of Queen street, say where Joe's Surplus is, and the pawn shop, or even Ernies, they have zero benefit from these concerts. Zero walk by traffic and nothing generated in sales. Is that fair? Not a chance. I think that is why some of the business owners have gotten together to get rid of the Downtown Association because they are not feeling or seeing any benefit from the money spent to this association. From my side of it, it's pretty easy to see that if the entertainment is always stuck at the corner of Queen and EAst street for the Rotary Fest weekend, NO ONE is going to venture down to the other end at all unless they are lost or the wind blows them that way because simply, nothing is happening there. It's simply not fair that you take a million bucks from all these businesses and they really don't see the benefits. Now, I don't know what else this DTA does for businesses. I can't seem to get a straight answer from anyone. Even the general public has no clue and that should worry EVERYONE.
Well, in fact, it has worried some business owners and they are fighting to stop the DTA and dissolve it from what I understand. I can only guess but if it were me, I'd be 1. wondering where my money is going 2. Why the hell am I not benefiting from this expense? 3. Why is my money being used for concerts rather than fixing up Queen Street?
Being that I'm a curious old fart, I'm starting to see a picture that makes me go "hmmmmmm". The news has been covering this story like I said, for a few days, but I'm trying to read between the lines. This might be a job for Perry Mason. hehe.
So what's at stake here? These concerts may end if the group that wants the DTA dissolved gets their way. Is that a bad thing? In my opinion... NO. It's plain to see that there has not been fairness in the way the DTA has put on these events and they certainly don't appear to have everyone's best interests as a goal. It seems to favour only a few. At least now I know how these concerts were financed in part or in whole. This also explains why the same acts keep appearing every year on that stage. To me it seems suspicious... Bar owner on the DTA board, has the concerts in front of said bar, every year for at least 10 years and for the most part hires a good portion of the friends of the bar to play said events. It just makes you go "hmmmmmmm what's up with that"? Of course folks, I don't have the facts. This is my assumption and my opinions. Take them or leave them. It's that simple. ;-)
In the meantime, this DTA and some of it's members are at odds with each other and things may change soon. I just can't believe how tight this little DTA package is. I always felt their was some type of favouritism involved some how and it seems we may know soon enough. Does it bother me? Nah. I could care less. Queen Street has been dead since they built the Station Mall. Sucking money out of business owners to give them a false hope of a thriving Queen street is kind of crooked but again, that's just what I kind of think. Somethings not right here though. I'm working on trying to understand things more. Ironically, I went to school with the head honcho of the DTA and I also know others who are against it. The "against" numbers seem higher but it all comes down to whether or not they will see this through without chickening out. If I owned a Queen Street business I know I'd put that hammer down on the DTA. It's like this secret club... but no one really knows what it does, and where they use YOUR money. In the old days, we called that the mafia haha. Kidding.
So what happens if the concerts get canceled? Do you really care?? I'm sick of seeing the same style of music every single year but at least I know now why that is. Last year, there was a major change to the venue and it was called the Emergency concerts or something to that effect... (Yawn). I can only imagine that this triggered something with a few of these business owners to question the DTA. That's my guess. Time will tell if I was right.
Anyways... I'm a bit sleepy typing this but hopefully you get the idea of what I'm talking about. Follow the news on this with your regular news outlet. We'll see how things pan out.
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Post by "The Freq" on Jun 3, 2015 8:34:41 GMT -5
It's been a short while since this DTA thing started and I've been hearing more and more about it through Facebook posts and in person with some individuals that have experienced the DTA when they had businesses on Queen. NONE of those business owners have anything good to say about the DTA. It appears to me that the DTA wants Queenstown to grow and prosper by basically garnishing money from these shop owners and giving these shop owners zero control of where the money is spent. That is the big issue. I know for me, if had a shop on Queen, that would be my number one issue. Most of whom I talked to have no interest in the concert series that plants itself yearly at Lop Lops front door. Some of the people went as far to say that what little people do get attracted to the concerts, abandon the middle to opposite end of Queen near Gore Street leaving a dead zone. Here is the other thing I noticed. The DTA gets big money from these owners but when the owners speak, they are literally stomped on and given no credibility for their point of view. Wait a minute. This can't be right. Imagine this for a second. You give thousands of dollars yearly, not by choice, to an outfit that in actuality, shits on you when you make a suggestion or ask questions. This is what I've seen in just the short time I've been snooping around this topic. I've also had conversations with a number of board members on the DTA and no one gives the same answer, no one appears to be on the same page with this issue. I'm no expert and like I mentioned in the original post, I don't know much about the DTA, but the DTA board should all be talking the same talk. With that said, you start to wonder if they can't get together on this topic, you wonder how they come to conclusions on where to spend other peoples money? I'm just a dumb musician but I'd be worried where that money actually goes. It might warrant investigating. Think about it... The DTA seems to be biting off the hand that feeds them. Sure, some may like the DTA (I have yet to find one that is not a board member ;-)) but the ones I talked to had nothing good to say about them.
Now let me state this so readers don't get the wrong idea of me on this topic. I'm just basing my opinions on what I've read, and the conversations I've had or read. I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of this DTA. I'm just viewing this as a common tax payer who wonders what goes on in his city from time to time. ;-)
It's no secret that I've been posting on a few Facebook sites that involve this topic. I'm learning with every post from individuals. On one side, I hear the pros and on the other side I hear the cons. The problem I have with the people on the pro side is that it took me multiple questions over days to even get an answer on what the DTA does. That is a problem right there. On the Con side, they're asking the same damn questions and not getting answers so if you add that up, that makes one DTA problem clear as day. They lack communication skills to the public but more so, the people they grab the money from. Secondly, the DTA seems to be bragging about how great it is but to most outside the board, they don't see it. I know I don't. If it's visual, I don't see it. I drove down Queen street the other day trying to see the obvious. It's not there. So if the DTA is doing something, it's behind the scenes. My question to that is, if it's behind the scenes, how the hell is that bringing people to Queens street?? Also I witnessed a few battles between apposing sides and one thing is clear. There are miles of distance between their beliefs. The only way for an outsider like me to get to the "truth" of the matter is to go one by one to each business owner and ask their opinion. I even mentioned that in a post on Facebook that was followed by a giant lull of silence. ;-) I'd do it myself but of course this would have to be "off the record" and just for my own interests. This brings up yet another issue. Some business owners are actually "afraid" to say anything with fear of some type of retaliation.. Now how f**ked is that? Let's see, they take your money and you're afraid to talk? Wow..that's not right is it folks? This may sound stupid but it has a mafia vibe to it. The DTA Mafia.. hmmmmmm Of course I'm kidding but.... ;-) Sounds far fetched but you have to admit if there is fear of speaking up, and they're taking your money, it does sound questionable. Again, these are my own observations. I could be totally off with my thinking but this is the picture that is forming in my mind. If the DTA learned how to communicate to the public properly, people like us who are not involved with Queenstown might not have to guess what the hell they do.
I've also learned that the DTA has boundaries. In all the questioning and online fights between the DTA and members, I learned the DTA control stops short of Gore street meaning Joe's Surplus and the Pawn Shop aren't part of it. Why this is, has never been answered. Also, the opposite end of Queen street boundary hasn't been established by DTA members either. I will guess it's limit is the Rockstar bar but again.. a guess as no one has enlightened me. My next question is why the strange boundaries? Never answered.
My last rant on this today is, where the hell is Sootoday with this issue? There is a story here but because they kiss the ass of the Pro side of this DTA issue, they are basically non existent about digging deeper into this issue. There is a deeper story here but it appears they aren't interested. Sure, they did a story on the opposition but their is a middle ground story here. With Sootoday so "shmoozy" with a few of the DTA board members, I expected much silence over this issue. I wonder if Sootoday ever got off it's ass and walked up Queen Street and talked to business owners involved in the DTA area and I asked them where they stand. I haven't seen anything to that affect at least not yet. Imagine that... I news outfit actually walking out in public looking for story rather than having them submitted by the public and just edited. ;-) Oh...I was told that's how it's done by someone who promotes shows locally. I' can't say positively that's how it's done. ;-)
This story is still a hot topic locally and the verdict is still out. I will continue to listen and learn. One of my main concerns as a musician is whether the concerts will remain the same or stop completely. The format in my opinion has always sucked with the Second Stage. It has always lacked variety and you have to be totally brain dead to not see that one person is behind the musical choices each year. True, I played this stage twice but in my opinion, I was put on the stage to shut me up from ranting about it. haha. That will never happen. To the majority of musicians I've been involved with, the style of music played at these events are not their tastes and really , aren't most peoples tastes. The DTA and organizers would like you to believe that their style of music is best but it's not true. It's time for a HUGE musical change that's for sure so if that means killing the DTA, then by all means let 'er rip. ;-)
FREQ OUT
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Post by floyds machine on Jun 3, 2015 20:13:40 GMT -5
Freq, Sootoday now has a survey located on the bottom right side of their main page, buried under an ad. Of course the scumbags would hide it so it doesn't draw attention. Looking at the results so far, you Freq are right as usual. Survey says, most don't have a clue on what the DTA is or does. Also, so far the votes to have it dissolved are leading. Sootoday loves to suck the ass of Lop Lops don't they? Put the damn survey where you can see it you chicken shit bastards.
That was fun Freq. I rarely rant like that but it felt good. Now I know why you do it. I think I need a biscuit and some tea now to calm down. ;-)
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Post by "The Freq" on Jun 4, 2015 15:17:45 GMT -5
Floyd.. I just checked the status on that Sootoday poll and it sends a signal that the DTA is totally out of touch as I have discovered in just a short while. The counts for the DTA doing a great job are suffering a hit in the balls which is nice to see. And, like you said Floyd, the percentage of those who don't have a clue on what the DTA is or does is leading the poll. That is an automatic failure for the DTA especially when you have Sootoday in bed with you. haha. Of course, that's just a cheesie poll and not in fact "the vote" which I'm sure will happen soon but it's probably sending a sour message to the DTA. The bottom line is that it's the Queen's Town businesses that will have the last laugh not the public on the outside of this issue. Like come on... how far do you think you can take this spending of other people's money for your own personal agenda. It's just not proper.
I must say I have quite a few people viewing this subject. I assume it's musicians who may be out of some summer gigs if and when the plug gets pulled on the DTA. As bitter sweet as it is, we need a fresh event to take place with music that is more "universal"..
Time to tone down the ego DTA. ;-) You are clearly out of touch.
More to come.
Freq
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Post by "The Freq" on Jun 5, 2015 15:20:53 GMT -5
Ok.. the DTA poll on Sootoday is done. This is from their site Survey says; Let's just say that I could sense this was going to be the result. This is why you listen to "the Freq". The Soo and it's backwards outdated slant on Queen street improvements just got a small b*tch slap warning. ;-) The DTA needs to stop stroking their egos while squandering other people's money and understand that there is more to improving Queen street than a few concerts and a shopping night. Next step is to actually get the DTA voted out. Then Queen Street businesses can live again without being imprisoned in such a bad financial deal. The Freq
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Post by floyds machine on Jun 6, 2015 5:28:28 GMT -5
Oh the bitter sweet pill of common sense. Just think, it's possible, just possible, we won't have to listen to that wanker shit music POLL-uting Queen street ever again. What will those musicians who have milked every Rotary fest do without their yearly income. I know, give other people a chance to do something creative you hoarding bunch of pukes. Let us pray the Sault Ste. Marie time warp is over and something modern happens.
May also interject that Sootoday still sucks ass.
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Post by Sgt. Bilko on Jun 8, 2015 8:01:57 GMT -5
My friend had a small shop on Queen street a few years ago and between the tax bill and paying the DTA she found it too much so she later left the downtown area. When your main street makes you pay more to be there, it ends up being corporate big wigs that plant their asses on the street, not the mom and pop stores that made Queen street interesting in the first place. Those small shops give a main street character. The problem with society these days is that they clone ever little town with the same businesses. It's boring and it's dull. This is why main streets in almost all Canadian cities look the same. Franchises have parked their asses in malls and main streets of most cities so why even bother trying to promote tourism when people have the same shit in their own town. Freq as usual, is right as rain. Why pay this DTA when really they aren't making the downtown area unique. They may be doing something but visually, except for Christmas lights, there isn't much difference. Like our malls these days, our main street has empty buildings or corporate buildings. WOW that's incentive to go shop. Then we have bars. WOW that's incentive to shop. Get real people. Invite unique businesses to occupy Queen street, stuff you don't see every day. Let it stand out. There was a neat clothing store on the far side of the old Eastgate that tried to make it but they're business was killed when the city decided to rip up Queen street for almost 3 years. Of course they couldn't survive because no one could reach it by car, but I shopped there on foot. Freq actually told me about it. We have to get out of that stagnant look all small cities seem to have in our country. Paying the DTA to do practically nothing when the money could be used to support one's own business is old school and needs to be done with. Look at the Station Mall. It's the dullest place on earth. Phone businesses everywhere. Big franchises everywhere. Why? It's because they can pay more in rent. The mall takes the rental money and a percentage of your profits. Like the Freq says, it's basically the mafia. What is finally happening is that giant companies like Walmart are swallowing up the lesser franchises and mom and pop stores are non existent. As long as we keep building strip malls, you will never save the downtown core. Never. Had they just made the Mall area a giant parking lot for Queens town, people would still be shopping Queen street. If you keep the focus off Queen street for shopping you are going to lose. Eventually, you will see Great Northern road as the main area and Queen street will shrivel up more than it already has. I don't think people really thought this out. The DTA didn't that's quite obvious. Another goof up is the casino. Why didn't we develop that entire area into some unique shops. No, that would have been too easy. Now people come off the bridge and see nothing interesting. They see a stupid casino, vacant buildings, property that isn't developed and a bus barn. Yes, that's selling the Sault on tourism. The city should be coming up with incentives to make people move their shops to Queenstown but for me, I don't see any effort in doing so. Concerts for a weekend in July are not the answer and I only see one bar owner benefiting for those, no one else. When it benefits all of Queen street businesses then you have something. Of course this bar owner is going to chirp that's he's doing a great service. It's ringing his til but logically, the concerts do nothing to bring people to a business like Algoma Bicycles to buy a bike. It doesn't and you have to be a brain dead ass not to see that. The DTA has a blind vision and should be dissolved. I will also add my two cents about Sootoday. It's hard to believe that our city newspaper is dying and being beaten by such a worthless news outfit like Sootoday. It boggles the mind. Well, you get what you pay for. Sootoday is free and it shows. Remember when news was exciting? Sootoday changed that and made our city dull like the Station Mall and Queenstown.
Please forgive my horrible spelling and grammar. :-)
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Post by "The Freq" on Jul 8, 2015 11:28:40 GMT -5
I agree 100 percent. Malls basically poisoned all mainstreets in small communities and that's why when you travel across the province, all you see are the same stores repeated over and over. The other sad point is that these franchises get swallowed up by bigger ones almost without notice. Most people don't even remember the mom and pop stores that use to exist on Queen street in years past. The dumb thing is, the stores in the mall are struggling now too because of high rent and a percentage of the profits being taken. People think you win by being in the mall but really you lose because it's expensive.. So with the Queenstown Association, rather than give incentive to come to Queen Street, they take more money. STUPID. You lose either way which is bullshit. It shouldn't be like that.
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Post by "The Freq" on Jul 8, 2015 11:56:01 GMT -5
NEW FLASH!!! This just in. A recent new post on Sootoday has a quote from Steve Alendander owner of Lop Lops about the Queenstown Association's fight with Dom Ruscio. I couldn't believe what I just read but here's the part that is going to make people shake their heads. Quote from Sootoday article:
" Members of the Downtown Association's board expressed confidence Tuesday night that they will beat Dominic Ruscio's bid to disband their organization.
"We're going to survive this, because we're professional enough... and we have the support of the membership," said Paul Scornaienchi from Ergo Office Plus, after much of an evening was spent evaluating Ruscio's tactics as demonstrated so far.
If professionalism won't win the day, then superior poker prowess might.
"I would like to sit down at a poker table with Dominic, because I could take a lot of money off that dude," boasted Steve Alexander from Loplops."
Ok folks. Is anyone else totally shocked that Alexander would say this? I don't know the man personally and really have only met him a handful of times but this is "NOT" the way to garner support for an organization you are fighting to save. Secondly, I'm not quite sure Alendaner understands this but ....YOU'RE ALREADY TAKING MONEY FROM DOM AND OTHERS!!!! and that's what this issue is about with the Queenstown Association and these people don't feel you're doing justice with it and they want to stop it.
I must say that I never expected to see a schoolyard comment like that comming from Alexander. That kind of comment paints an entirely new picture of what businesses on Queen Street are dealing with when it comes to the Queenstown Association. This is not a poker game. These are people's lives and their survival to make ends meet. It's about getting rid of the Queenstown Association's money hold on shops that can't afford their unbalanced fees.
If you had respect for Alexander before this quote, I'm not sure how you feel after reading it. For me, it was a "holy f#$k" moment. haha because that's the kind of shit you don't want to be chirping when you're fighting to survive. Is he showing his true colours? I honestly don't know since I don't know the man but I must admit, he lost some credibility with me with that comment. True, I shoot my mouth off like that all the time, but that's me and you know I've always been like that but Alexander? haha... That's a head turner that's for sure.
In my opinion, that was a declaration of war on Ruscio and I suggest the Queentown Association put on their helmets. Alexander's comment may have just been the Association's kiss of death. I just don't understand how you can bark shit out like that about people that you are taking money from already. Think man...THINK!! To have one person say "we're professional enough" and then have another person from the same outfit say "I could take a lot of money off that dude." Wow, really??? You just said that?? I'm still shaking my head on that one. |O| I think any hint of professionalism just flew out the window. ;-)
Let the carnage begin!!!
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Post by "The Freq" on Jul 9, 2015 9:52:31 GMT -5
The flack from the recent Sootoday article is making waves amongst many. It appears that the Queenstown Association has lost credibility and that the recent article written by Sootoday just the other day shows their lack of connection with the businesses of Queen street. Alexander in some of his comments to readers below this article kept related to Thunder Bay issues which really, have nothing to do with the Sault. Comparing issues in a city this late in the game is a last gasp effort of survival. As a reader of this entire Queentown meltdown, I find it fascinating that the Queenstown Association is so slow to get off their asses and garner local support or even Queen street business support. Noted by one local business in the comment section of the article clearly show that the QTA hasn't even made the effort to even talk to them in person. So apparently the QTA is expecting that "shooting off their mouths" is the best game plan rather than connecting with the public or the businesses in it's area. All I can do is smile. And where is the president of this little club? Why is nothing heard from the higher ups in this odd little group? I can't help but think there is disorganization with in but that's just my opinion. You may have your own. This little story is only going to get better. ;-)
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Post by floyds machine on Jul 9, 2015 10:19:00 GMT -5
WTF. I can't believe that lop lops dude use the word dude. |O| Is he a redneck? If ya wanna piss someone off, call them dude. |O| After reading the complete article you can see some cheap bully talk there. I also sense they think Ruscio is dumb. Sounds like a really bad political election plan. If you can't brag about what you've done, slam the piss out of your competition by insulting them or talking bully talk. You're right Freq. My guess is they have nothing to brag about so they actually insult and cut down the hands that actually have fed them these past few years. Picture this, the Queenstown fees are based on property assessment if I got that correct. Ruscio owns that huge hotel that use to be Woolco. His fee alone to Queenstown must be huge and I'm sure over the years that's some pretty big numbers. So what does the Queenstown Association do? They let a meathead spew a poker playing comparison to one of their biggest money contributors but also the guy you've pissed off. Yeah THAT'LL HELP! Then call him DUDE. LMAO :-) f**k some people are stupid. Freq, don't get suckered by that lop lops dude. Notice I said DUDE? ;-) I'm sure that's what he's really like. He's backed into a corner now along with the rest of them so I expect more to show their true colors. You're right Freq about something else. Where the f**k is the president of this whacky club? It can't be Alexander. Wasn't it a Rosette? That's the other joke. We don't know who's on the board of this joke fest. |O| WOW. How can you want support when you don't let us know who you are in this mystery outfit? WOW x 2
K. I've said my piece. I'm going to have breakfast and hopefully I can digest it after all this morning chatter. Later DUDE |O|
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Post by "The Freq" on Jul 10, 2015 0:37:09 GMT -5
The entire Alexander thing just puzzled me when I saw it. I never expected it as he's always come across, to me at least, as someone that thinks before they blurt things out... Unlike us goofballs on this forum. I'm still shocked he said it. This is like a hollywood tabloid article really. People want to read about interesting people say or do the wrong things. This is one of them. ;-) Personally, I don't have any issues with him. I just think in this case, he made a boo boo. As a bar owner, he appears to have that science down nicely and he has a lot of loyal followers. We'll see where Ruscio goes with this now. It's all about money folks. Whether you're for or against the QTA... you can blab and scream all you want but the bottom line is money, and getting the best bang for the buck. It doesn't appear to be happening so there's got to be a change. Simple right? ;-)
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Post by Sgt. Bilko on Jul 10, 2015 10:29:37 GMT -5
This issue is heating up but knowing our city council, it will take a year or longer to end the drama.
I meant to ask this before but why is the Second Stage back this year? They have me confused and I know others are feeling the same way. They had if for years, then dumped it. Then they added this Emergency concert series instead and now we're back to the Second Stage again. What gives? The list of bands appears to be once again Lop Lops alumni. How is this fair in the least? What a bunch of bull. I'm sick of it. It doesn't matter what concert thing happens, that Lop Lops vibe of music festers it's way into these concerts. Do the people running these events actually think the majority listen to this lame junk? Oh we so need a change in this city.
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Post by floyds machine on Jul 10, 2015 10:53:47 GMT -5
Has anybody realized that Sootoday's article in fact threw Lop Lop's owner under the bus? In their never ending sickening love for the bar owner over the past decade, they finally f**ked up. Now that shit is funny. Alexander f**ked up but then Sootoday f**ked up by reporting the f**k up, essentially f**king everyone. That's f**king hilarious. |O| Ass kissing does not pay. :-)
f**k Second stage and that pussy music. Whatever happened to music with balls? It's not on that stage that's for sure. The mainstage is another joke. How the f**k does that Thin Ice ego band get the headlining gig? How about a rock band. You know, f**king rock metal. Anything that doesn't have a stupid acoustic and a violin would be nice. Something with POWER!
Now I'm depressed. Thanks for ruining my day Paul. ;-) Beer time, I mean breakfast time.
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Post by "The Freq" on Jul 10, 2015 11:25:08 GMT -5
Oh I noticed that Floyd. In fact, that was the first thing I noticed. When you read ten years of ass kissing from Sootoday towards Lop Lops, a reporting "oops" like that one the other day stands out like a hand grenade going off. It was bound to happen eventually. I wonder who's going to be sleeping in the doghouse over that little goof up? Of course you know we at Freq's Music Planet are going to enjoy this moment for a while. ;-)
Paul, I have no clue on how that Second Stage came to be this year. It was last minute because it wasn't going to happen from all the reports I heard. Whether it was funding issues or not. I have no clue. In years past the Tube mill sponsored it. No clue on it this year. As for the bands in it... it's no surprise that the smell from the stage is Lop lops brand of music. When if first started years ago I'd listen to most of the bands but now, I can't be bothered as it's like Deja Vu. Same old same old. Boothill Crooners just aren't my thing. It's no secret that style of music gives me a rash. Musicians are good but please, go a different direction please! I may check out my friends sons band who are playing second last but we'll see. Oh what's that? Some are saying why don't I support local music anymore??? That's easy... I don't see them out at my gigs or buy my CD's. It use to be that you'd show respect both ways and show up at each others gigs. That doesn't happen anymore. If I really really like your band I may go see you and comment. I don't expect anything from anyone these days. My how the times have changed. And to have Sootoday come see a band I have..................haha HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA! Please...! oops... I just pee'd myself. Anyways...this drifted off subject a tad.
More Queenstown rubbish coming soon.... ooooh goody.
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